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		<title>By: cfeagans</title>
		<link>http://ahotcupofjoe.net/2009/07/anthropology-of-religion/comment-page-1/#comment-720</link>
		<dc:creator>cfeagans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 02:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually it&#039;s cfeagans. &quot;Joe&quot; is the cup of coffee that is often close when I&#039;m writing or perusing the science blogs. :)

While I agree that belief systems are an inherent part of human culture, I don&#039;t agree that simply subscribing to a belief system places one above inquiry or criticism. Particularly when that belief system has the potential to have a substantial affect on my life and the the lives of my family. 

Recently in my state, a law has been enacted that the Christian bible will be taught as &quot;literature&quot; in public school. This is no attempt to improve literature standards (there are far better works already in use to which more attention should be focused) but, rather, an attempt to insert Christian ideology into the public school system of Texas. A school system which to which a large majority of children are from Christian families but which is also populated by Muslims, Jews, Native Americans, Hindus, atheists, Mormons, Scientologists, etc.

This is but one, single example of a &quot;belief system&quot; attempting to insert its superstitions into my life. 

I have not only the right, but the duty to speak out and, yes, I have a clear bias: toward reason and logic. 

What you&#039;re criticizing me for is not maintaining an objective stance, but as I&#039;ve already stated: the objective position was removed from me by O&#039;Gorman when he favored the very superstition that is attempting to affect me. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;Have not rulers of the past consulted astrologists?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sure. So have the rulers of the present. And they&#039;re utterly wrong to do so since those consults potentially affect the lives -the &lt;i&gt;lives&lt;/i&gt;- of their constituents. And I don&#039;t mind judging them as wrong and superstitiously ignorant. And I&#039;m happy to call upon my academic experience and knowledge to make an argument against them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually it&#8217;s cfeagans. &#8220;Joe&#8221; is the cup of coffee that is often close when I&#8217;m writing or perusing the science blogs. <img src='http://ahotcupofjoe.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>While I agree that belief systems are an inherent part of human culture, I don&#8217;t agree that simply subscribing to a belief system places one above inquiry or criticism. Particularly when that belief system has the potential to have a substantial affect on my life and the the lives of my family. </p>
<p>Recently in my state, a law has been enacted that the Christian bible will be taught as &#8220;literature&#8221; in public school. This is no attempt to improve literature standards (there are far better works already in use to which more attention should be focused) but, rather, an attempt to insert Christian ideology into the public school system of Texas. A school system which to which a large majority of children are from Christian families but which is also populated by Muslims, Jews, Native Americans, Hindus, atheists, Mormons, Scientologists, etc.</p>
<p>This is but one, single example of a &#8220;belief system&#8221; attempting to insert its superstitions into my life. </p>
<p>I have not only the right, but the duty to speak out and, yes, I have a clear bias: toward reason and logic. </p>
<p>What you&#8217;re criticizing me for is not maintaining an objective stance, but as I&#8217;ve already stated: the objective position was removed from me by O&#8217;Gorman when he favored the very superstition that is attempting to affect me. </p>
<blockquote><p>Have not rulers of the past consulted astrologists?</p></blockquote>
<p>Sure. So have the rulers of the present. And they&#8217;re utterly wrong to do so since those consults potentially affect the lives -the <i>lives</i>- of their constituents. And I don&#8217;t mind judging them as wrong and superstitiously ignorant. And I&#8217;m happy to call upon my academic experience and knowledge to make an argument against them.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda</title>
		<link>http://ahotcupofjoe.net/2009/07/anthropology-of-religion/comment-page-1/#comment-718</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 18:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Alun: I&#039;m not sure which sentence in my comment constitutes a &#039;militant form&#039;. In the &#039;study of man&#039; one must be completely objective. I disagree with Gorman&#039;s perspective in an Anthropological setting because it is NOT objective. However, Joe makes the same mistake -- that of judgement. Belief systems are part of what makes us human and should be viewed in that way by an Anthropologist. I don&#039;t think it is my role to judge. My role is to observe what is. To Joe: Have not rulers of the past consulted astrologists?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Alun: I&#8217;m not sure which sentence in my comment constitutes a &#8216;militant form&#8217;. In the &#8216;study of man&#8217; one must be completely objective. I disagree with Gorman&#8217;s perspective in an Anthropological setting because it is NOT objective. However, Joe makes the same mistake &#8212; that of judgement. Belief systems are part of what makes us human and should be viewed in that way by an Anthropologist. I don&#8217;t think it is my role to judge. My role is to observe what is. To Joe: Have not rulers of the past consulted astrologists?</p>
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		<title>By: A Hot Cup of Joe &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Sacrifice and the Anthropology of Religion</title>
		<link>http://ahotcupofjoe.net/2009/07/anthropology-of-religion/comment-page-1/#comment-698</link>
		<dc:creator>A Hot Cup of Joe &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Sacrifice and the Anthropology of Religion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 05:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Alun</title>
		<link>http://ahotcupofjoe.net/2009/07/anthropology-of-religion/comment-page-1/#comment-654</link>
		<dc:creator>Alun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 14:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s interesting because I didn&#039;t perceive an anti-Christian bias. There was certainly an anti-theological position taken. That&#039;s only anti-Christian if you believe O&#039;Gorman&#039;s theology is the only inevitable expression of Christian belief.

In contrast I do see a strange bias in Linda Herrick&#039;s comment. Carl&#039;s right but... what? Is it bad taste to point out the flaws in O&#039;Gorman&#039;s reasoning? Or is this a personal matter where one individual gets to define what it is permissible to say about the large diversity of beliefs we collectively describe as &quot;Christian&quot;? &quot;You shouldn&#039;t say that, even though I agree with it, for reasons I haven&#039;t specified,&quot; seems terribly arrogant to me, but not every branch of Christianity takes the humility thing seriously.

There is a problem in insisting on special respect for a religion. Not only do you end up giving privileges to a religion, but it&#039;s to a very specific form of that religion. There are no generic Christians, but competing sects of Orthodox, Catholic and Protestant varieties. In the case of Linda Herick it would see she would lend political weight to the more militant forms, rather than Christians who follow a more humble and questioning path.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s interesting because I didn&#8217;t perceive an anti-Christian bias. There was certainly an anti-theological position taken. That&#8217;s only anti-Christian if you believe O&#8217;Gorman&#8217;s theology is the only inevitable expression of Christian belief.</p>
<p>In contrast I do see a strange bias in Linda Herrick&#8217;s comment. Carl&#8217;s right but&#8230; what? Is it bad taste to point out the flaws in O&#8217;Gorman&#8217;s reasoning? Or is this a personal matter where one individual gets to define what it is permissible to say about the large diversity of beliefs we collectively describe as &#8220;Christian&#8221;? &#8220;You shouldn&#8217;t say that, even though I agree with it, for reasons I haven&#8217;t specified,&#8221; seems terribly arrogant to me, but not every branch of Christianity takes the humility thing seriously.</p>
<p>There is a problem in insisting on special respect for a religion. Not only do you end up giving privileges to a religion, but it&#8217;s to a very specific form of that religion. There are no generic Christians, but competing sects of Orthodox, Catholic and Protestant varieties. In the case of Linda Herick it would see she would lend political weight to the more militant forms, rather than Christians who follow a more humble and questioning path.</p>
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		<title>By: cfeagans</title>
		<link>http://ahotcupofjoe.net/2009/07/anthropology-of-religion/comment-page-1/#comment-650</link>
		<dc:creator>cfeagans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 01:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;[W]hat we DON&#039;T know&quot; is what motivates me in academia. And I know of no scientist or student of science that is smug enough to assume we know it all. Nor do I attempt to convey this in my response to the podcast above -quite the opposite actually.

I do, however, admit to being somewhat harsh in my questioning of O&#039;Gorman&#039;s qualifications, but he did state at the outset that his goal (and I&#039;m paraphrasing) was to use an anthropological approach to exploring religion and his failure to effectively do this leaves one to wonder why. 

My anti-Christian bias was not my choice. It was thrust upon me by O&#039;Gorman when he used only explanations that fit the versions of ritual and sacrifice that he wanted to be true. My aberrant examples likewise aren&#039;t my choice but, again, the responsibility of O&#039;Gorman who implied the Christian religion no longer engaged in the sacrifice of life. I know of no other method of describing such a sacrifice without describing such a sacrifice. Aberrations?  Most definitely. It isn&#039;t the norm of modern Christianity to sacrifice the lives of others for religious purpose. But the doctrines do allow for it and can easily be interpreted to encourage it.

My point was to show that aberrations exist throughout human history and prehistory and Christianity has no corner on the market of righteousness or aberration. 

I also freely admit my bias against Christianity. I&#039;m biased against it in the way I&#039;m biased against astrology and psychics. I bear no ill-will toward Christians, astrologers, or psychics until they begin to demonstrate a deleterious effect on society. If astrologers are being consulted by politicians for advice on foreign policy -I&#039;ll be the first in line to criticize them. When psychics trick the hopeful and needy out of thousands of dollars, I&#039;m willing to criticize. 

Most importantly, however, I think that if you&#039;re going to profess to examine religion under the lens of anthropology, you must, necessarily, use the whole microscope. O&#039;Gorman ignored much of the existing work in anthropology. If I had to guess why, I would suppose it was because he&#039;s Christian and has an agenda to support and/or justify.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;[W]hat we DON&#8217;T know&#8221; is what motivates me in academia. And I know of no scientist or student of science that is smug enough to assume we know it all. Nor do I attempt to convey this in my response to the podcast above -quite the opposite actually.</p>
<p>I do, however, admit to being somewhat harsh in my questioning of O&#8217;Gorman&#8217;s qualifications, but he did state at the outset that his goal (and I&#8217;m paraphrasing) was to use an anthropological approach to exploring religion and his failure to effectively do this leaves one to wonder why. </p>
<p>My anti-Christian bias was not my choice. It was thrust upon me by O&#8217;Gorman when he used only explanations that fit the versions of ritual and sacrifice that he wanted to be true. My aberrant examples likewise aren&#8217;t my choice but, again, the responsibility of O&#8217;Gorman who implied the Christian religion no longer engaged in the sacrifice of life. I know of no other method of describing such a sacrifice without describing such a sacrifice. Aberrations?  Most definitely. It isn&#8217;t the norm of modern Christianity to sacrifice the lives of others for religious purpose. But the doctrines do allow for it and can easily be interpreted to encourage it.</p>
<p>My point was to show that aberrations exist throughout human history and prehistory and Christianity has no corner on the market of righteousness or aberration. </p>
<p>I also freely admit my bias against Christianity. I&#8217;m biased against it in the way I&#8217;m biased against astrology and psychics. I bear no ill-will toward Christians, astrologers, or psychics until they begin to demonstrate a deleterious effect on society. If astrologers are being consulted by politicians for advice on foreign policy -I&#8217;ll be the first in line to criticize them. When psychics trick the hopeful and needy out of thousands of dollars, I&#8217;m willing to criticize. </p>
<p>Most importantly, however, I think that if you&#8217;re going to profess to examine religion under the lens of anthropology, you must, necessarily, use the whole microscope. O&#8217;Gorman ignored much of the existing work in anthropology. If I had to guess why, I would suppose it was because he&#8217;s Christian and has an agenda to support and/or justify.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda Herrick</title>
		<link>http://ahotcupofjoe.net/2009/07/anthropology-of-religion/comment-page-1/#comment-648</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda Herrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 19:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I agree with your argument, I&#039;m dismayed at your lack of objective rhetoric. Your anti-Christian bias is crystal clear and taints your claim of being a &quot;scientist.&quot; A truly objective approach to the topic would not include only the abberations (poured Kool-Aid for parishioners at Jonestown, ignited themselves at Waco, and took their shoes off for a never ending nap at Heavenâ€™s Gate.) While I don&#039;t yet have the credentials to call myself an Anthropologist I question your disdain for the beliefs of human beings when surely you&#039;ve discovered they are pervasive across time and culture. As scientists are we so smug as to say we know it all? As you continue your academic journey, please stop from time to time to consider what we DON&#039;T know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree with your argument, I&#8217;m dismayed at your lack of objective rhetoric. Your anti-Christian bias is crystal clear and taints your claim of being a &#8220;scientist.&#8221; A truly objective approach to the topic would not include only the abberations (poured Kool-Aid for parishioners at Jonestown, ignited themselves at Waco, and took their shoes off for a never ending nap at Heavenâ€™s Gate.) While I don&#8217;t yet have the credentials to call myself an Anthropologist I question your disdain for the beliefs of human beings when surely you&#8217;ve discovered they are pervasive across time and culture. As scientists are we so smug as to say we know it all? As you continue your academic journey, please stop from time to time to consider what we DON&#8217;T know.</p>
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		<title>By: A Skeptic's View &#124; Tangled Up in Blue Guy</title>
		<link>http://ahotcupofjoe.net/2009/07/anthropology-of-religion/comment-page-1/#comment-646</link>
		<dc:creator>A Skeptic's View &#124; Tangled Up in Blue Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Comments tuibguy on Decision Time and Advice SoughtA Hot Cup of Joe &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Anthropology of Religion on Greg Laden and the Christian Missionaries in AfricaLeo on Decision Time and Advice Soughttuibguy [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mike Haubrich, FCD</title>
		<link>http://ahotcupofjoe.net/2009/07/anthropology-of-religion/comment-page-1/#comment-645</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Haubrich, FCD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 11:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some excellent points, here.  I wonder if you would be interested in being a guest on an episode of the Minnesota Atheists podcast revival of &quot;Atheists Talk.&quot;  We could perhaps have you discuss this subject with Greg Laden.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some excellent points, here.  I wonder if you would be interested in being a guest on an episode of the Minnesota Atheists podcast revival of &#8220;Atheists Talk.&#8221;  We could perhaps have you discuss this subject with Greg Laden.</p>
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