Comments on: Dilmun and Punt: Part III http://ahotcupofjoe.net/2007/07/dilmun-and-punt-part-iii/ Archaeology, anthropology, science, and skepticism Mon, 08 Mar 2010 14:11:51 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8 hourly 1 By: Walter R. Mattfeld http://ahotcupofjoe.net/2007/07/dilmun-and-punt-part-iii/comment-page-1/#comment-1969 Walter R. Mattfeld Mon, 04 Jan 2010 17:37:11 +0000 http://ahotcupofjoe.wordpress.com/2007/07/03/dilmun-and-punt-part-iii/#comment-1969 A few months (October 2009)ago I chanced across a map of Iraq published in Germany circa 1860 showing a village called Umm Daleimin, just east of Qurnah. Perhaps this is Dilmun? Dilmun was at the "mouth of the rivers" and for some scholars the "mouth of the Euphrates and Tigris" are at Qurnah, becoming the Shatt al Arab. Howard-Carter opined Dilmun was a yet unidentified site somewhere between Qurnah and Basra (1980s) and Umm Daleimin _is_ between Qurnah and Basra, just east of the mouths of the Tigris and Euphrates. If this proposal interests you Google "Umm Daleimin Dilmun" for my research as a series of YouTube Videos (5). Also of interest is that Esarhaddon said it was 30 beru from Aphek to Raphia for his Assyrian Army (sites near the Mediterranean Sea, west of Israel). Sargon said Dilmun was 30 beru in the sea of the rising sun. Bahrain is over 400 miles from Ur and Eridu in Sumer and over 300 miles from the mouth of the Shatt al Arab. Many scholars assume that the 30 beru to Bahrain/Dilmun is 300 miles. The problem? Esarhaddon's 30 beru is 220 kilometers or 132 miles between Aphek and Raphia. As Bahrain is _not_ 132 miles from the Shatt al Arab, it cannot be Dilmun. From Ur and Eridu to the mouth of the Shatt al Arab is roughly 220 kilometers or 132 miles, an area of marsh and rivers and lagoons fitting Dilmun in the Sumerian descriptions. A few months (October 2009)ago I chanced across a map of Iraq published in Germany circa 1860 showing a village called Umm Daleimin, just east of Qurnah. Perhaps this is Dilmun? Dilmun was at the “mouth of the rivers” and for some scholars the “mouth of the Euphrates and Tigris” are at Qurnah, becoming the Shatt al Arab. Howard-Carter opined Dilmun was a yet unidentified site somewhere between Qurnah and Basra (1980s) and Umm Daleimin _is_ between Qurnah and Basra, just east of the mouths of the Tigris and Euphrates. If this proposal interests you Google “Umm Daleimin Dilmun” for my research as a series of YouTube Videos (5). Also of interest is that Esarhaddon said it was 30 beru from Aphek to Raphia for his Assyrian Army (sites near the Mediterranean Sea, west of Israel). Sargon said Dilmun was 30 beru in the sea of the rising sun. Bahrain is over 400 miles from Ur and Eridu in Sumer and over 300 miles from the mouth of the Shatt al Arab. Many scholars assume that the 30 beru to Bahrain/Dilmun is 300 miles. The problem? Esarhaddon’s 30 beru is 220 kilometers or 132 miles between Aphek and Raphia. As Bahrain is _not_ 132 miles from the Shatt al Arab, it cannot be Dilmun. From Ur and Eridu to the mouth of the Shatt al Arab is roughly 220 kilometers or 132 miles, an area of marsh and rivers and lagoons fitting Dilmun in the Sumerian descriptions.

]]> By: Carl Feagans http://ahotcupofjoe.net/2007/07/dilmun-and-punt-part-iii/comment-page-1/#comment-197 Carl Feagans Sun, 15 Jun 2008 17:21:04 +0000 http://ahotcupofjoe.wordpress.com/2007/07/03/dilmun-and-punt-part-iii/#comment-197 The quote comes from her closing paragraph in the 1981 reference listed above where she concludes:<blockquote>The name Dilmun late in the third millennium became associated with a trading area in the Gulf identified as the islands of Bahrain and Failaka, together with the adjacent sections of East Arabia. However, because no objects from Mesopotamia found in either Bahrain or Failaka can be dated earlier than 2200 B.C., it is impossible that Dilmun was located there before that time.83 Thus, as I have attempted to demonstrate here, the earliest Dilmun is most likely to have been located in the region of Qurna. What she does is build up to this conclusion throughout the entire 14 page paper, so its worth reading the entire thing for context if you're interested in the subject. I've sent an email to you, should you not receive it let me know here. The quote comes from her closing paragraph in the 1981 reference listed above where she concludes:
The name Dilmun late in the third millennium became associated with a trading area in the Gulf identified as the islands of Bahrain and Failaka, together with the adjacent sections of East Arabia. However, because no objects from Mesopotamia found in either Bahrain or Failaka can be dated earlier than 2200 B.C., it is impossible that Dilmun was located there before that time.83 Thus, as I have attempted to demonstrate here, the earliest Dilmun is most likely to have been located in the region of Qurna.

What she does is build up to this conclusion throughout the entire 14 page paper, so its worth reading the entire thing for context if you’re interested in the subject.

I’ve sent an email to you, should you not receive it let me know here.

]]> By: Walter R. Mattfeld http://ahotcupofjoe.net/2007/07/dilmun-and-punt-part-iii/comment-page-1/#comment-198 Walter R. Mattfeld Sun, 15 Jun 2008 12:19:35 +0000 http://ahotcupofjoe.wordpress.com/2007/07/03/dilmun-and-punt-part-iii/#comment-198 Your 2007 article on Dilmun (and Punt) mentioned that Howard-Carter (1981) identified Dilmun with Qurnah in Iraq. Alas, I do not have access to this article. Would you mind providing me a "quotation" of what she actually said from your notes on _why_ Qurnah is to be identified with Dilmun? You wrote: "...Howard-Carter (1981)...places Dilmun at Qurna, Iraq..." My interest in Howard-Carter's statement is that I too understand that Dilmun is between Sumer and Elam and not at Failaka or Bahrain nor the eastern littoral of Arabia. Thankyou in advance for whatever you can share from your notes on Howard-Carter's identification of Qurna with Dilmun. Your 2007 article on Dilmun (and Punt) mentioned that Howard-Carter (1981) identified Dilmun with Qurnah in Iraq. Alas, I do not have access to this article. Would you mind providing me a “quotation” of what she actually said from your notes on _why_ Qurnah is to be identified with Dilmun?

You wrote:
“…Howard-Carter (1981)…places Dilmun at Qurna, Iraq…”

My interest in Howard-Carter’s statement is that I too understand that Dilmun is between Sumer and Elam and not at Failaka or Bahrain nor the eastern littoral of Arabia.

Thankyou in advance for whatever you can share from your notes on Howard-Carter’s identification of Qurna with Dilmun.

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